Comments on: How to choose between Urchin or Google Analytics http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/2010/03/04/how-to-choose-between-urchin-or-google-analytics/ Official blog for the book Advanced Web Metrics with Google Analytics by Brian Clifton Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:31:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Rokabear vps hosting http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/2010/03/04/how-to-choose-between-urchin-or-google-analytics/comment-page-1/#comment-48225 Rokabear vps hosting Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:57:01 +0000 http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-48225 We have been very happy with Google Analytics. It has really helped us determine who is interested in our various vps products. It helped us learn where to spend more time marketing. Urchin is great, but I though google was much easier to setup and use. We have been very happy with Google Analytics. It has really helped us determine who is interested in our various vps products. It helped us learn where to spend more time marketing.

Urchin is great, but I though google was much easier to setup and use.

]]> By: Brian http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/2010/03/04/how-to-choose-between-urchin-or-google-analytics/comment-page-1/#comment-37773 Brian Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:52:15 +0000 http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-37773 i found google analytics better than urchin... all google things are very good... ( not the translater :D ) i found google analytics better than urchin…

all google things are very good… ( not the translater :D )

]]> By: Brian Clifton http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/2010/03/04/how-to-choose-between-urchin-or-google-analytics/comment-page-1/#comment-15912 Brian Clifton Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:54:26 +0000 http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-15912 <strong>Shiperton</strong>: You are correct in that GA cannot reprocess data for individual accounts - see my post <a href="http://www.advanced-web-metrics.com/blog/2010/01/29/what-is-urchin-6/" rel="nofollow">What is Urchin 6?</a> for this feature of Urchin highlighted. However, the example you give is not relevant for data reprocessing - just apply an advanced filter to look back at historical data to a specific dir. Data reprocessing in Urchin is really there to help sys-admins with managing logfiles that can get moved, corrupted, updated etc. Yes, Urchin can look back at old logfiles, but if the page tag is not present i.e. prior to the install of Urchin's <a href="http://www.advanced-web-metrics.com/blog/2007/10/07/hosted-v-software-v-hybrid-tools/" rel="nofollow">hybrid data collection mode</a> (the recommended setup for Urchin), then you have to track visits by ip+useragent. While that can of course be useful, such reports cannot then be compared with page tag reports. So to sum up, I don't consider data reprocessing a BIG issue for GA. But perhaps you have other requirements...? Shiperton: You are correct in that GA cannot reprocess data for individual accounts – see my post What is Urchin 6? for this feature of Urchin highlighted. However, the example you give is not relevant for data reprocessing – just apply an advanced filter to look back at historical data to a specific dir.

Data reprocessing in Urchin is really there to help sys-admins with managing logfiles that can get moved, corrupted, updated etc. Yes, Urchin can look back at old logfiles, but if the page tag is not present i.e. prior to the install of Urchin’s hybrid data collection mode (the recommended setup for Urchin), then you have to track visits by ip+useragent. While that can of course be useful, such reports cannot then be compared with page tag reports.

So to sum up, I don’t consider data reprocessing a BIG issue for GA. But perhaps you have other requirements…?

]]> By: Shiperton http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/2010/03/04/how-to-choose-between-urchin-or-google-analytics/comment-page-1/#comment-15893 Shiperton Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:54:11 +0000 http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-15893 Correct me if I'm wrong but ine BIG problem with GA seems to be that you can not generate new reports across historic data. For example, if you suddenly decide that you need to do a report on all traffic to a given directory for last year, you cant do it in GA. But you can on Urchin because it gets all its data from its own logs. Or am I missing something? Ship (Newbie) Correct me if I’m wrong but ine BIG problem with GA seems to be that you can not generate new reports across historic data. For example, if you suddenly decide that you need to do a report on all traffic to a given directory for last year, you cant do it in GA.

But you can on Urchin because it gets all its data from its own logs.

Or am I missing something?

Ship
(Newbie)

]]> By: N http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/2010/03/04/how-to-choose-between-urchin-or-google-analytics/comment-page-1/#comment-15629 N Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:36:48 +0000 http://www.Advanced-Web-Metrics.com/blog/?p=1217#comment-15629 We are going over this question ourselves. does analytic have a url limitation? Like if your site is 1 million pages it's too big? In using analytics one question we have is does Google then furhter process the stats they get from our site or do they just ignore them? I used Webtrends a long time, then Nettracker and a few others. Webtrends became so bloated after it was sold that an Urchin report that ran in a few hours would take a few days in webtrends. thus we migrated to Urchin. urchin 5.x is better geared to our needs. It has an easily viewable summary of pageviews, visitors, and referer info that is completely missing in 6.x while I have both products, I am now hesitant to use 6.x and am thinking of just dropping it and moving to analytics. 6.x seems to be geared only to cost per click customers. And that makes it not a great intranet or internet solution for us. And if one searches google for Urchin help, one will most likely end up on an analytics site and not an urchin site. I think that is a good hint. Urchin 6.x had some bad installation issues. Installing the demo license was a bad idea for it and it prevented us from installing the production version for about 30 days. The slave scheduler in Urchin 6.x on a windows 2003 platform fails to stay running by default. There is some bloat creeping into Urchin. on the plus side Urchin 6.x is priced better then 5.x Just one module instead of 4 and more licenses. 5.x was hard to license correctly for a diverse and growing web site. We are going over this question ourselves. does analytic have a url limitation? Like if your site is 1 million pages it’s too big?

In using analytics one question we have is does Google then furhter process the stats they get from our site or do they just ignore them?

I used Webtrends a long time, then Nettracker and a few others. Webtrends became so bloated after it was sold that an Urchin report that ran in a few hours would take a few days in webtrends. thus we migrated to Urchin.

urchin 5.x is better geared to our needs. It has an easily viewable summary of pageviews, visitors, and referer info that is completely missing in 6.x while I have both products, I am now hesitant to use 6.x and am thinking of just dropping it and moving to analytics. 6.x seems to be geared only to cost per click customers. And that makes it not a great intranet or internet solution for us. And if one searches google for Urchin help, one will most likely end up on an analytics site and not an urchin site. I think that is a good hint.

Urchin 6.x had some bad installation issues. Installing the demo license was a bad idea for it and it prevented us from installing the production version for about 30 days. The slave scheduler in Urchin 6.x on a windows 2003 platform fails to stay running by default. There is some bloat creeping into Urchin.

on the plus side Urchin 6.x is priced better then 5.x Just one module instead of 4 and more licenses. 5.x was hard to license correctly for a diverse and growing web site.

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